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Hello,

Any ADASH users around to share their experience of these products.? I'm interested... it looks very good value for product so I'd wish to learn what the real users think of. Thanks

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I dont know much about them but they are doing very creative things with their software and data collectors and can give the big players a run for their money on value for money. Have a quiet good auto diagnosis setup from what I have seen. 
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Hi, I set up an ADASH system for acceptance testing and compared the data to the CSI 2130. Data was good and comparable.
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Hi,

I'm not an expert but I have used them for some jobs and I do like them. Nice software, easy to set up, modern user interface, frequent updates ... The A4400 may be a bit heavy for data collection but it is useful for advanced diagnostics or triaxial sensors, it even has an ODS module (although I haven't used it).
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I've been following some videos they have on youtube recently and they have interesting things like fault trending, slightly different take on things.



The 4300 analyser is a handy little unit, heck even comes with its own strobe and IR temp probe built in.




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Greetings,
To answer your question about VA3 vs. VA4 Adash units, the processing speed is the same giving 25600 LOR, but the VA3 is limited to three channels vs. the VA4 at four. The VA4 has less battery life, is larger than the VA3 making it less attractive for just basic route data collection. The VA4 does on the other hand have all modules included in the price and a large color screen which makes it the best choice for field diagnostics. 
The VA3 configured as a route data collector is about half the price, much lighter and battery will last all day. The VA3 is module based where the customer purchases the software modules based on their needs. One attractive feature of the VA3 is it will process three channels simultaneously with no auto-gain function which makes it a fast triaxial data collector.
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Can it do MPM (FPM) --> Rpm conversion ratio for paper machines?  (allowing automatic lineal speed entry conversion to rpm of paper machine rolls? ) And does it have similar to CSI "X" function. Can it do similar to CSI global speed set? rgds. ps. Commtest still can't do any of these, Oneprod can't either. Just trying to separate wheat from chaff. (For the record -i I am a CSI user but do not stand to gain from anything CSI - I do not work for them)
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I will be doing an extended hands-on evaluation of Adash in the near future. Perhaps I can answer your questions, Vibe, at least with regards to CSI.
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Thanks Rusty,  I was at a conference in September last year and many brands were there. They all seem to start from scratch instead of perhaps looking at others that have been around for a long time first and learn from their experiences.   So it is like re-inventing the wheel.  So I always ask a few questions which are important to me in the industry I predominantly work in pulp and paper. And then take it from there. Pet gripe is the smaller instruments (with their small screens) which are so difficult to read as my eyes get older (not the rest of me off course).  So a 2130 or 2140 is still great.  Regardless of cost.  Argument is always - it is so light!.  But it does not seem to matter if you can't read or see it apparently.  

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Hi Rusty, I tried SKF, DLI and a well respected work related contact had a very long go at Entek (years full time). And none of them would stack up against CSI. Commtest can't do a few hings I value ... yet..  Problem is that you don't find out about the finer details until you bought the thing. Then no return.  So key is extended hands on experience. I believe Sinsk did a pretty good evaluation of Commtest some years ago.  And now it is GE so forget it.  Change of colour and double price is about it.  Omnitrend is a disaster cw what you and I are used to.

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Thanks for the questions and for Rusty to have the time to review these products. I was also a CSI user as of 1995 and was looking for a better solution a few years back when i came upon the Adash line. We are now using Adash for 70% of our accounts and all new accounts. We still have several 2130 units and a VibeExpert II system that are used for existing accounts. Since i own a service company with 11 employees having to pay for annual support is a big cost, the Adash software updates do not require annual subscription, so that was a big savings for me. 
To answer your questions in lieu of to Rusty's future input:
There is no current FPM to CPM conversion set up, but now that the factory is aware of interest i expect it will be available quite soon.
The global RPM conversion exceeds CSI's capabilities as with one click you can adjust current cursor value in a spectrum to correct as RPM for the measurement point or all in the machine with ratios applied for multiple speed machines, but you can also at the same time choose to update any historical data which i believe is unique to Adash but not sure. 
Regarding the X key, at the current time Adash has the "families" module which will locate harmonics and other families of interest in a spectrum. Below is a link to the video.

There are also several other functions of the Adash software i like much better such as right clicking on a spectrum, trend or waveform and being able to edit or delete it, and having the historical data table view enabled so you can select all or control click and select multiple data then edit globally. Very easy to keep your database cleaned up by deleting or editing data while currently viewing and analyzing. 
AdashAmerica has a free 7 day trial for any equipment and software available, the requirement is to agree to a monthly rental then if returned within 7 days there is no charge, this is to address allowing use of the instrument prior to purchasing which I agree with you is a needed. Hope this addresses your questions. 
One last comment is the Adash software was easy to learn as i just assigned all hot keys i was used to in the CSI software to the Adash. 


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Thanks for the questions and for Rusty to have the time to review these products. I was also a CSI user as of 1995 and was looking for a better solution a few years back when i came upon the Adash line. We are now using Adash for 70% of our accounts and all new accounts. We still have several 2130 units and a VibeExpert II system that are used for existing accounts. Since i own a service company with 11 employees having to pay for annual support is a big cost, (I agree, maintenance is a big cost) the Adash software updates do not require annual subscription, so that was a big savings for me. 
To answer your questions in lieu of to Rusty's future input:
There is no current FPM to CPM conversion set up, but now that the factory is aware of interest i expect it will be available quite soon. Not sure why that is not a mandatory requirement. Gets back to my point. newcomers tend to re-invent the wheel rather than look what's out there already. (CSI has had MPM --> RPM conversion for going on 30 years) Certainly a major requirement in pulp and paper where machine speeds are measured in MPM or FPM. But P&P is not the only industry I know.
The global RPM conversion exceeds CSI's capabilities as with one click you can adjust current cursor value in a spectrum to correct as RPM for the measurement point or all in the machine with ratios applied for multiple speed machines, but you can also at the same time choose to update any historical data which i believe is unique to Adash but not sure. Not sure either CSI diagnostic module (not plotdata) might do that but I am not sure.
Regarding the X key, at the current time Adash has the "families" module which will locate harmonics and other families of interest in a spectrum. Below is a link to the video. The BIG key is whether the family id feature can work WITHOUT having bearing, vanepas, info built in..  In my days at xyz you could put in a bearing number and it would draw lines on the spectrum where the charateristic frequencies are. But of course if brg num was wrong or absent this would not work. Very different to CSI "X". 

There are also several other functions of the Adash software i like much better such as right clicking on a spectrum, trend or waveform and being able to edit or delete it, and having the historical data table view enabled so you can select all or control click and select multiple data then edit globally. Very easy to keep your database cleaned up by deleting or editing data while currently viewing and analyzing. 
AdashAmerica has a free 7 day trial for any equipment and software available, the requirement is to agree to a monthly rental then if returned within 7 days there is no charge, this is to address allowing use of the instrument prior to purchasing which I agree with you is a needed. Hope this addresses your questions. Needs to be at least 6 months. Realistically there is not much you can do in 7 days when you are trying to do your day job and evaluate something else.  To discover the nuances takes a  lot longer than 7 days.
One last comment is the Adash software was easy to learn as i just assigned all hot keys i was used to in the CSI software to the Adash. Time to learn is not so important for me. Since it is normally incurred only once. So if longer and learn better it is ok. The right click, drop down and select it rather slow for me. Shortcuts are best. I know it is not windows standard  but it is a lot faster.


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This is an old topic that I am revisiting now that I have time to look more closely at the Adash products. As I believe I’ve alluded to elsewhere, I’m looking for something that is cheaper to “feed” in retirement. (priced MHM recently and was quoted $16K for just the software)

Are there any users here who routinely use an Adash unit for analysis? I’d like to make contact and get your input.

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