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So.... Has anyone managed to see the ARES software replacing MHM? From my understanding its going on wireless Haart then online, then new customers and finally current customers. I guess they want it running smooth before all the current customers get it as we have preconceptions of the current and historical versions. And we all know how well they are at testing and asking the users in the field what we need.. Going on historical time scales for this new platform I guess it could be a few years yet until we get it.

 

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First I've heard of it.
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I did speak to IL at Emerson Bayswater and he alluded to some super duupper new version coming but it didn't sound like anytime soon. rgds
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James. Thats pretty much how I understand it. They want to bunch the vibration with alot of the stuff that Emerson already have on the production monitoring side of things so they have some sort of all in one system that links together. Time frame I heard was late this year but with they way these things happen I would imagine 2017 at the earliest. I also understand that will finally be the end of plot data [frown]
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Ohhh gawd, can't these people recognise elegance in simplicity or does it all have to be complicated... seriously.  what is wrong with plotdata? You get a simple spectrum or waveform, see immediately what is going on and then move on. Now what could be simpler than that? rgds
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Vibe, we are not exactly Emerson's target audience.  They need to sell 100's of millions of $$ of vibration products to be viable.  Doesn't matter if it's just another "system" that is installed and under-utilized, because the "next big thing" that is bigger and better is just around the corner, so they'll just sell them an upgrade.


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Ohhh gawd, can't these people recognise elegance in simplicity or does it all have to be complicated... seriously.  what is wrong with plotdata? You get a simple spectrum or waveform, see immediately what is going on and then move on. Now what could be simpler than that? rgds


Well I guess you still have a while to wait and do not have to upgrade immediately. So you probably still have a couple of years of plot data left. 
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Dont fret Vibe, I can hold your hand while transitioning to VA Tab[tongue]
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Supplier Alert: Addressing the previous posts here regarding ARES. ARES asset management platform is initially releasing in July 2016 and will support the Emerson Wireless HART Gateway and all wireless devices attached to it including the CSI 9420 Wireless Vibration Transmitter. Subsequent releases in 2017 and forward will support the CSI 2140, the rest of the Machinery Health portfolio, and 3rd party data sources and systems. ARES is able to bring asset health information to the right people in relevant time incorporating the use of mobile devices and thin ciient access. Easy to use vibration analysis tools incorporating the powerful and trusted legacy of Plotdata is the cornerstone of ARES. AMS Machinery Manager will still be available and supported for many years to come. Contact your local Emerson sales professional for more information on the ARES platform and how you might use it and acquire an upgrade to ARES.

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Thanks Drew.
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Hi Drew, welcome to the forum. I did meet you back in 2009/2010 or something when you visited Melbourne under the Alstom | MSC banner and we all went to dinner at the "Titanic" restaurant. You won't remember me since you will be meeting 100's of people. Alstom is now owned by GE so no longer distribute CSI. Unfortunate because they had such a great support set up. A few changes at Alstom|MSC with a few redundancies. AG n0ot there anymore, but I guess that is what happens in large organisations.  The likes of MB are now trying to swap me over to Commtest... I am saving for a 2140. Again welcome and thanks for your informative comments. Great to hear Plotdata will still be around. It is such a simple program and I am a firm believer of not over complicating things... but it is a matter of competitors out doing each other with more and more "features". Who needs 7 billion cursor colours anyway. And plotdata still has some things diagnostic plotting can't do!! rgds
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Yes of course I remember meeting you. I could not forget someone who's online forum name is Vibe-rater. Good to know we are both still kicking in this crazy business. I didn't mean to mislead you with my previous post regarding plotdata. Plotdata itself will not be available in ARES, but rather many of the vibration analysis tools that have their foundation from plotdata will be in ARES. The user interface will be more like the VA. I will say that if you have suggestions on plotdata tools that are not available in VA and you would like to see them in the vibration tools of ARES to please send those suggestions to me and I will pass those onto the product manager. Yes GE buying Alstom was unfortunate. I had not heard AG was not there anymore, where did he end up?  The Emerson Australia team including Ian Liebler, Jae Parris and others are quite knowledgeable and will support you well. Glad to hear you have not succumbed to the charms of MB with Commtest. Since you mentioned you are saving for a CSI 2140, you probably already know about the most aggressive trade-in upgrade we have ever offered at 40% valid for 2016. There is also a sales promotion to upgrade to ARES at no charge this year, but in an effort to not be commercial on this site I will email that to you separately if I can.

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Hi Drew,  off the top of my head. VA can certainly display multiple waveforms but as far as I know only on separate plots. Plotdata can show 8 on a single plot. The separate plots can have the same amplitude ranges but it is nice to see them all on one plot. Takes up less screen real estate.   The other thing that comes to mind is in relation to displaying fault frequencies along side a full screen plot. VA can do lines overlayed on the plot and values alongside (lots of clicking to select all the fault frequencies though).  But Plotdata can do "values only" which means the plot does not get  covered in vertical fault frequency lines.

And the ability to have a machine in a route more than once.  Very handy with a row of vacuum pumps for example.  Walk past on one side - do all the motors - back down the other side to do the pumps. You could set up a separate route for front and rear but when you are doing and entire paper machine basement that is not preferred.

Anyway, these just things that come to mind. AG is on a holiday. Haven't heard anything re what he might do on return.  I'll send you an email. rgds.
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Yes of course I remember meeting you. I could not forget someone who's online forum name is Vibe-rater. Good to know we are both still kicking in this crazy business. I didn't mean to mislead you with my previous post regarding plotdata. Plotdata itself will not be available in ARES, but rather many of the vibration analysis tools that have their foundation from plotdata will be in ARES. The user interface will be more like the VA. I will say that if you have suggestions on plotdata tools that are not available in VA and you would like to see them in the vibration tools of ARES to please send those suggestions to me and I will pass those onto the product manager. Yes GE buying Alstom was unfortunate. I had not heard AG was not there anymore, where did he end up?  The Emerson Australia team including Ian Liebler, Jae Parris and others are quite knowledgeable and will support you well. Glad to hear you have not succumbed to the charms of MB with Commtest. Since you mentioned you are saving for a CSI 2140, you probably already know about the most aggressive trade-in upgrade we have ever offered at 40% valid for 2016. There is also a sales promotion to upgrade to ARES at no charge this year, but in an effort to not be commercial on this site I will email that to you separately if I can.

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We have been told the new ARES software will not support 2130's and also that the original release will have the capability of converting databases from MHM to ARES. Is this true? This would be a problem for alot of people when upgrading.

I met you as well in Melbourne. I remember having a beer with you and Vibe at the Young & Jackson. Good night that was.
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of mobile devices and thin ciient access. 


Hi Drew, thin client... - that says to me in the cloud.  will that mean moving over to a subscription style maintenance contract? And prevent running a thick client?  Meaning office computer installation. If you don't subscribe then you won't be able to use (BTW I am fully on support agreement).  rgds
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