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Beatnik

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Anyone got new information about Ares?

What I know:

-Ares will not work with 2130.
-Ares is not the new analysis software. the new analysis software is AMS MACHINE WORKS and it will arrive later.

Questions:

When will Machine Works be out?
Will it be free for people with a support contract?
Will Ares/Machine works work for people who have an offline version of MHM?

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Yestday I downlod the DEMO ARES software from EMERSON site,it's free to try:
http://www.emerson.com/en-us/automation/asset-management/asset-monitoring/health-monitoring/ams-ares-asset-management-platform#section4
But I was so depressing with install the sofeware, it's not support win10 pro, only support win7sp1 and win8.1, and only for X64 system, not X32 system.
I need install it at virtual machine(win7sp1 X64), the ARES and AMS MACHINE WORKS installation time is very long, after about one hour later the installation was finished.
Anyway, I was glad the installation was finished, I can see alot of staff installed that not related vibration analysis.
When I oepn the ARES, I couldn't open the AMS MACHINE WORKS!!! There is a vibration analysis app installed,but I couldn't open it, nothing responsed. I don't konw why.
I think the AMS MACHINE WORKS basically is a web application. Be honest, I'm disappointed.

I hope someone can try it successful and do some test.,tell us full picture about the ARES software.
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I was in Knoxville for some training a couple of months ago, and they gave us a short demo of ARES one afternoon.  It is much more than MHM as it brings together a lot of "information" on equipment from different sources.  I believe it will be an SQL database without a lot of the inherent limitations of MHM (3 character points defs, working with only 1 database at a time, etc). 

But I really don't recall much about the "analysis" side of it, except for thinking, "Glad I'm not going to have to change to this", although it really will be better.... eventually.  I do recall them saying (Drew Mackley, I think) that if you have a 3-year maintenance agreement in place, then the upgrade to ARES would be free. If not I'm sure it will be fairly costly.  They really seem to be moving more to the enterprise side of things, which is not surprising considering Emersons other products.

But I had the distinct feeling that us "little guys" will be left out in the cold eventually.  We aren't their target market since they really can't make a lot of money off us. Hopefully someone else steps up to serve the consultant market.


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I was in Knoxville for some training a couple of months ago, and they gave us a short demo of ARES one afternoon.  It is much more than MHM as it brings together a lot of "information" on equipment from different sources.  I believe it will be an SQL database without a lot of the inherent limitations of MHM (3 character points defs, working with only 1 database at a time, etc). 

But I really don't recall much about the "analysis" side of it, except for thinking, "Glad I'm not going to have to change to this", although it really will be better.... eventually.  I do recall them saying (Drew Mackley, I think) that if you have a 3-year maintenance agreement in place, then the upgrade to ARES would be free. If not I'm sure it will be fairly costly.  They really seem to be moving more to the enterprise side of things, which is not surprising considering Emersons other products.

But I had the distinct feeling that us "little guys" will be left out in the cold eventually.  We aren't their target market since they really can't make a lot of money off us. Hopefully someone else steps up to serve the consultant market.



Been a year and half since your post Rusty and I have not heard anything about this since then. 

We had a catch up with Emerson over 2 years ago and they brought up ARES and gave us some initial information about it but nothing since. Have you heard anymore or has anyone else? Seems to have gone dead quiet.
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I've heard not before 2019. Emerson pretty much eliminated all R&D at CSI.

In early 2016 they pushed everyone to take a 3 years maintenance contract, saying that it was the only way to get Ares for free. Those 3 years will probably be expired before Ares comes out, I wonder if those people will get Ares free or will have to take another maintenance contract.
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I am just about to inquire about purchasing a copy of MHM. I’ll let you know what I find out.
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Rumours are that Ares is shut down, so now what.
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just bought a 2140 and came with ams, no one give me options said something about ares
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Ares was really more about online monitoring with flexible remote access.  It wasn't meant to replace MHM, so much as it was to make it obsolete.  At least that's what I gathered from the demo in 2016.  I doubt that we'll see anything "better" than MHM from Emerson and I expect the 2140 is the end of the line for their analyzers.  Though CSI is relatively large in the vibration field, it's just a small part of Emerson.  I believe Ares was meant to "integrate" vibration monitoring into all their other process controls;  if that's failed, I doubt they'll continue to be interested in CSI as a standalone business. 

In all honesty, I believe vibration analysis -- as we've known it -- has seen it's zenith.  I think it's all downhill from here, because there is really nothing "new" about it.  It's still pretty miraculous (to me anyways), but it's the same old thing, and nobody wants old dogs any more, even if they can still hunt.  

"Wireless" just doesn't seem to have caught on, largely due to costs I think, but also because no one onsite wants to look at the data and interpret it.

Motion Amplification isn't the big deal that it is because it's "better" than what we do now (it's not), but because it's easier to understand (visual), faster (for what it's used for), and it's NEW!  It tells you what to address, but not really how.  What you'll get is people just "fixing" what they can see -- or think they see.  You just paid these guys to come in and do MA to find your problem -- you're not going to turn around and pay them (or someone who can actually do it) to do a modal analysis to determine exactly what needs to be changed, and how.  It's still going to be trial-and-error, but with videos to see how you did (or didn't).  Also this sort of "simple" vibration analysis will create the impression that running routes and collecting all that data is unnecessary, because obviously, watching a video is better (and more entertaining).

Don't get me wrong, I love MA!  The only thing keeping me from using it is the $35K price tag.  I could put it to good use, but I'm scaling back, and I just don't want to work that much anymore.  But ultimately, I'm not sure it's going to be helpful to the vibration analysis industry, as a whole.

Just my opinion. And I could be totally wrong. (as Ralph says)



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I have just had my local Emerson rep here and tells me this is still on but they just dropped the Ares name. It will now be called Plant Web Optics which is the system that will over look everything and vibration will just be one part of that. Strangely enough he told me the next release will be version 6.3. Although he said something about it already being out but think that is just for testing purposes (probably why already 6.3) with a full release early next year.
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