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Noknroll

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Has anyone gone from CSi To Commtest and what did you miss that the MHM analysis software does that commtest software doesn't do?
Reason I ask is a client wants my/there data to be available on there  GE? baker-hughes? system 1.
Which will probably mean getting commtest collector and software. I've only ever used CSi/MHM so a new challenge for me

Oh and can MHM database be imported converted to Commtest? The sales people say yes, but really, can it? history, trends and all that
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Have not used Commtest so can’t speak directly to this. But I’ve been toying with switching to Adash because of the cost savings (in retirement). But running routes today with the 2140 I thought about how fast and efficient it is, and wondered if I’d ever be happy with a different “work flow” in the field as well as back at the desk. For those of you who’ve switched from one system to another, is it hard to get in a new groove with your work flow?
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Ay when I was young I swapped systems like my shirt every 10 years, now it is more like a hurdle but I frequently operate and even sometimes support (almost forgot how that was "have you plugged out and in the dongle if the software hung on that?" No why?) So from the last 5+ systems (Adash, SpectraPro, OneProd, MEExplorer, Commtest, CSi, IRD) original Commtest stands out as one of the better as we followed it from the start and I knew their software guy (he "retired" as a hard rock guitar player in London or so he said last I heard from him) so we tried to push it into something useful as it was and I still use it in some case once a year and when I need a waterfall FFT plot and I used it for like 10 years.

However things are not left alone since they now are GE they as usually messed it up as it has been described to me but I do not know how in detail but some good things for analysis are missing, likely my waterfall as it is returned to being a standard route collecting system providing data for the System 1 that seems to be a special case by itself but I seen very little of it.
GE claim that they will make all functions available in the new software as in the old, they always say that, I always doubt that.
I saw it briefly at the status it was a couple of years ago and to me it did seem to have some way left to go.
So check the speed you reach when collecting data if that will influence your pricing......
Converting database? Good luck with that, Commtest used to be a SQL database and I guess it is that also with GE. Maybe you can convert the structure and start over anyway, but I don't know the current status.

 

I think in general that there would be a space for a basic entry level system for smaller industry but do they care about maintenance?


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I used Commtest five years ago, and they were 20 years behind with software. They would have had to put a zillion man hours in their software package to get it up to any of the other software being used on a regular basis. Now take what I said with a grain of salt because as stated, five years ago was when I fooled with them. But they were of the stone age then. Yes, it was simple to use, but it only did simple things too. There was no way they could have converted anyone’s data other than overall values to have been incorporated into their platform
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Hello,

I have been using Commtest for the last 12 yrs. In late 2018, early 2019, we switched over to System 1 Evo since Ascent software is not going to be updated any more. Ascent was SQL and System 1 Evo is not.  Switching over from Ascent to Sys 1 was not as smooth/easy as what we had invisioned. Basicly had to start over from day one. 

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Hi Nok, Commtest does not have "Global speed set" which is important in the paper industry. I do a lot of work at a refinery who have used system 1 for a long time but their walk around / balance of plant will ALWAYS be CSI.  They are constantly subject to GE trying to convert them to Commtest / GE Scout which in the end is just a VB7 or 8 with a different colour, blue instead of red. System 1 is designed for online stuff  not the in depth analysis capability for anti friction rolling element bearing rotating machinery.  Good luck with converting. I agree with Oli and think that the structure only can be converted but you should check.  (with a proper engineer, not sales muppet) and how do you convert PeakVue to demodulation anyway.

Unfortunately these decisions are always based on money savings and coal face people are never asked what they think. Decision making muppets have no idea and don't care about the practical outcome other than saving money.

Don't go there.... if they do then face the wrath of GE who will charge even more and according to people in the know they are prying apart the software and hardware then charging extra for modules previously included. Oh you want an enter button - well that is extra. Oh you want a steering wheel in your car... well...
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Vibe-Rater

Could you elaberate a bit more on the "Global speed Set" 
A correction to comment on GE Scout/blue/red.
The Scout "blue" box, is for the Europe market and the "red" box is the North Americian market. As for the box, they are the same, just different color. 
I'm currious on your statement of not capable of in depth analysis for anti friction rolling element bearing rotating machinery. Could you explain a little more on this?

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Xracer, thanks for your reply #5. Something to be aware of. we have Commtest within our company but not sure if they have the system 1 compatible EVO stuff. We have many offices scattered across the country doing things a little differently. I work remotely from home for a CSi only office.

Vibe, I'm not convinced the D/base can be imported either. Global speed set is not an issue for me. Unfortunately the decision to go to Commtest is being driven by the client who already has system 1 for there Turbines

I would prefer things to stay as they are, balance of plant with CSi
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you are onto it Nok. Unfortunately it looks like your client is not experienced enough to understand the implications of going all out GE.

On the surface of it they will argue why are we paying 2 sets of support agreement etc. we can comine in 1.  If you have an influence - steer clear!!

Xracer, my thoughts come from a very mature site who have used CSI and Bently / System 1 alongside for a LONG time, think at least 30 years.  They say that in S1 you just can't manipulate the spectral data like you can in CSI. They have a $100K video wall with their important machines shown in S1.  S1 is just really finetuned for online stuff rather than walk around they say. I trust their judgement and there has been no shortage of GE training for them.  That site makes a lot of money so if there is training to be had, they've done it. so it is not a matter of them working in a cocoon absent of the finer subteleties of S1.

Global speed set.  Is a way to set the speed of all machines in a route rather than entering it manually for each machine. Extremely important iin the paper industry where each roll in the machine (think 300) is a CSI machine.  Commtest can't do it.  I sat down with the then distributor before GE took over and no go.  Not so important in fixed speed industries.

Nok, on the subject of carry straps. Some of my client s use shoulder binocular straps that use both shoulders.  Google Allen Binocular Strap https://www.google.com/search?q=allen+binocular+strap&oq=allen+binocular+strap&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.5703j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

They can be bought here in Australia and easily adapted.  I use them when shoulder is getting sore. I do find the strap a bit stretchy because a pair of bins is not as heavy as a 2130 / 40.  I'll look on Tuesday, a client uses something similar and I don't know if same brand.  rgds
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you are onto it Nok. Unfortunately it looks like your client is not experienced enough to understand the implications of going all out GE.

On the surface of it they will argue why are we paying 2 sets of support agreement etc. we can comine in 1.  If you have an influence - steer clear!!

Xracer, my thoughts come from a very mature site who have used CSI and Bently / System 1 alongside for a LONG time, think at least 30 years.  They say that in S1 you just can't manipulate the spectral data like you can in CSI. They have a $100K video wall with their important machines shown in S1.  S1 is just really finetuned for online stuff rather than walk around they say. I trust their judgement and there has been no shortage of GE training for them.  That site makes a lot of money so if there is training to be had, they've done it. so it is not a matter of them working in a cocoon absent of the finer subteleties of S1.

Global speed set.  Is a way to set the speed of all machines in a route rather than entering it manually for each machine. Extremely important iin the paper industry where each roll in the machine (think 300) is a CSI machine.  Commtest can't do it.  I sat down with the then distributor before GE took over and no go.  Not so important in fixed speed industries.

Nok, on the subject of carry straps. Some of my client s use shoulder binocular straps that use both shoulders.  Google Allen Binocular Strap https://www.google.com/search?q=allen+binocular+strap&oq=allen+binocular+strap&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.5703j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

and edit https://www.bcf.com.au/p/allen-binocular-harness/577305.html?cgid=BCF028010#start=12


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hey can be bought here in Australia and easily adapted.  I use them when shoulder is getting sore. I do find the strap a bit stretchy because a pair of bins is not as heavy as a 2130 / 40.  I'll look on Tuesday, a client uses something similar and I don't know if same brand.  rgds
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Vibe-Rater,

I do agree with you on the fact that System 1 is heavy on online, and when GE bought Commtest, they needed something for the portable field.. hence Sys1 EVO.  It, is, by far not a click/merge from Ascent to Sys1 Evo. There are many good functions in Ascent that have not been brought into Sys1 Evo. 

As for the Global Speed, with Ascent and Sys 1 Evo, I am able to set machine speeds in routes and not have to manual enter them as you mentioned. The facility that I'm at, I do collect data on machines with multiple rolls running at different rpms. Thes machines are configured so all I have to do is tach the motor speed as they are on a vfd, and the rest of the train shaft speeds are automatical configured. 

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As for the Global Speed, with Ascent and Sys 1 Evo, I am able to set machine speeds in routes and not have to manual enter them as you mentioned. The facility that I'm at, I do collect data on machines with multiple rolls running at different rpms. Thes machines are configured so all I have to do is tach the motor speed as they are on a vfd, and the rest of the train shaft speeds are automatical configured. 

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thats greate, but with csi you enter one time the "plant/line" and all machine speeds are configured so you dont have to tach each motor,  for me is not a deal breaker I could live without this, I have never done a paper machine but I belive can be done without global speed
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It can be done without global speed set but is a right royal pain in the behind. And yes you don't need to tach anything. Simply go to the control panel and enter the MPM / FPM. In my SKF days they told me, just tach each paper machine roll (since it could not do MPM entry at the time) .  Said by muppet who never set foot on a paper machine. It is simply not practical to do that and a serious safety issue..

I met Drew Mackley a few years ago (at a conference here in Australia) and asked him personally which industries had the most influence on the design of CSI software / hardware and answer was nuclear and pulp and paper.  Explains a lot re some of the subtleties. rgds
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Will ascent talk to system 1? Or is evo required for that
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Hi Nok, I have used MHM, Ascent and System 1 in my vibration history.
Without a shadow of doubt, MHM is far superior for portable data collection and analysis. Ascent was designed for portable data collectors in mind. System 1 is more for online systems, but I did a workshop with a few GE people who came out  to Australia with the view to improving the portable data side of it a couple of years ago but left the company not long after that so can't give you anymore on that.
Growing up using MHM, it was a shock going to Ascent and System 1. No peakvue, circular plots, autocoleration etc etc.
I'm know that going from Ascent to System 1, we weren't able to bring anything across so had to start again. I've never tried to move across a database from MHM to Ascent or System 1.

System 1 used to be System 1 Classic and that was purely for online systems.
System 1 Evo is now just called System 1 now i'm pretty sure. This the the new platform and is for both online and portable systems.


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