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ausconmon

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Hi All,

After an interesting discussion at work with colleagues. What are your opinions of our industry changing to automation of all data collection? The phasing out of data collectors in our line of work.
Have seen recent changes in other fields, like operations of dump truck etc. The technology obviously exists, but when do you think prices will be cheap enough to install to all machinery?

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We have discussed this very thing recently in 2 different threads:


http://www.machineryanalysis.org/post/the-internet-of-things-8206170?pid=1293500071

http://www.machineryanalysis.org/post/remote-vibration-services-8160085?pid=1293381637

No matter if you are doing the monitoring from your office, or halfway around the world, it's "remote" monitoring. There are pros & cons, but no perfect solution.

Is it possible this is being considered as "the future" because there is just no one willing to do the hot (or cold), nasty, tedious job of actually walking about and collecting data?

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Thanks for the reply Rusty. Looks like I need to improve my "search" abilities, did not find the posts you mentioned. From where I am sitting, the motivation for change is all cost related. I would hope as a species, we haven't become that allergic to hard work yet [biggrin]. Maybe we will be able to download a hard work app soon, to simulate it from the safety of a chair.

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Honestly, I don't think we'll ever see true "remote" monitoring on a large scale because it will create too much work for existing maintenance & engineering staff who are on site. Without someone on site to go out and do an analysis (extra data, see, touch, smell etc) on a suspected problem, the "remote system" is going to "cry wolf" a lot and become a colossal pain in the ass for plant personnel.

The real value will be in deploying wireless, continuous monitoring where you have an analyst or team on site (either corporate or contracted). As Bill Kilbey has pointed out, they won't be analyzing "good" machines, but instead will spend their time analyzing problem machines and working proactively to "fix" things so they stay fixed. Having enhanced trend data will be a significant improvement over the "snapshot" data we collect now.

I hope to start moving my largest customer in this direction next year, because if I don't, someone else will. Change or die.

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Hello,

   I would love to have some online capability at my facility but do not expect that walking routes is going away anytime soon. Plus I feel a lot better visiting Machines in person. Reading other peoples data is all well and good but sometimes it takes visiting the field once in a while to keep it real. Plus the folks at Corporate spending money on the projects don't seem to feel online monitoring is where they want to spend their money. It probably depends on the Industry.


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I'd have to say that, bottom line, the thought of automated data collection doesn't particularly bother me. Data collection in my day to day life can sometimes be a nuisance. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy physically visiting with my machines every so often, but data analysis is the part of this gig that really gets me going. If I could spend more time with the data and possibly collecting more insightful specialized readings I would not complain. It could also provide me with more time to expand my knowledge base and stay at the forefront of developments in the industry.
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For us the wireless technology appears to be cheaper (now) than running conduit and boxes to permanent accelerometers in our mill. We have many areas that require manlifts or ladders that are too dangerous to enter every month for readings. In the past we would install the CTC boxes with permanent accelerometers to these areas. IF the wireless system meets our needs we can monitor these machines continuously for cheaper than the cost of the contractors running conduit, and the price of the boxes, accelerometers and cabling. We are going to be moving forward in the near future with a test on the Waites system... For the sake of this discussion the automation of our data collection may come as a by-product of cost.
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I am looking at an install of the Waites sytem as well.  The sensors are not wireless though, so there is still the cabling to deal with (I can't just run a cable 20-30' without conduit) and I worry about how robust the sensors are.  As it is now sometimes the sensors are removed when bearings are replaced since they can unscrew them.  I'm not sure glued-on sensors will last long.  The cables and sensors are my main concern.

The other concern I have, is that I will be the guy doing the remote monitoring.  I will likely scan the data every day anyway, but what about things that go bump in the night?  Can more than one person be alerted to alarms?

I admit I've not watched the "demo" (the one I saw had no sound?).  Is there more information available online somewhere?


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I was told they will be introducing a wireless box soon that can use regular ICP accelerometers. I believe the system can alert any number of people you setup by email if its in alarm. I could be wrong on this but I believe it can text as well. Try this video, you may find it more useful than the one with no sound.
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