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RickP330

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Hi Guys,
I have inherited an Azima DLI DCX data collector.  It's not the unit I would purchase if I wanted to buy something - but I want to start doing something with Vibration Analysis in my plant.  This is an older unit and Azima will not support it, but it is new enough that it still works well.

Since it is not supported, I am sure that I'll have a lot of questions on setting it up and using it.  Sadly I don't see any posts in this category for the manufacture out there at all.  Maybe it's generic enough to post some general question and get some help from the group.

I'll pick the unit up next week, but I am just wondering if anyone else out there is using this equipment.
Kind regards,
Rick
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You are aware of the support page?  See http://azimadli.com/training-resources/support/dcx/

I'd also visit https://azimadli.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202839620-Upgrading-DCX-and-DCA-60-Data-Collectors-to-V3-60 before getting into the device.
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Hi John,
Wow, I was not aware of that.  Thank you very much.  I'll be picking up the unit later this week, but I'll be sure to go through this info first.  Much Thanks!
Rick
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Hi John,
I've been in touch with Azima.  All support has been discontinued for the DCX.  Those links are nice, but none of the articles on that page work any longer, they have all been removed.  I've been playing with the unit, I hope to have some results pretty soon.
Rick

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Hello all,

                So I am struggling through this with little support.  If someone is willing to comment I would be much appreciative.  I have the DCX on a tablet PC.  It has the following software loaded within it:

 

Collector X 3.50

ExpertALERT 3.50

ALERT Real Time Analyzer

 

                I assume I build my plant (and database) in the ExpertALERT and use the Collector to actually take the measurements.  At least this is what I am trying to do.

 

                I am not sure what the ALERT Real time analyzer is useful for – it is not connected to the database at all.

 

                I am trying to build a set of test data on a test machine, but when I collect Data in the Collector X program it will only let me overwrite the previous data set.  I tried to set up a survey period of the minimum of one day, but it doesn’t seem to help.

 

                Maybe I am asking too much, but if you can comment at all on what I am working on I would be most appreciative.

 

Kind regards,

Rick

 

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Hi RickP330,

I didn't respond initially not wanting to be negative. Now that you indicated no support maybe time to tell.

I feel your pain. I did have some experience with this brand product line but that was in 2000, 17 long years ago. I can't remember what versions other that it was a dcx. Long story short it was a total disaster and we traded it in for a proper system after 6 months of losing my hair. (and we are no slouches when it comes to this sort of work and equipment)

Not sure how old your system is.  The fact that it is no longer supported would suggest it could be reasonable old. Maybe post some photos of the instrument might trigger my memory.

If your setup is later than what I used there might (hopefully) been improvements.  Having said that things move slowly in big companies.

I know of an Australian distributor of this brand who abandoned it because of time consuming issues - it was not worth continuing.

I surely don't want to rain on your parade. Sound like you are putting in a sterling effort which has to be respected.  Just telling you of my experience.  Pity they have no one who will help you with it.

Hopefully with Ken Peity onboard (ex CSI and if he still is onboard..??) things have improves since my long time experience. rgds

ps. On a more positive note I know of one Australian company that uses it throughout but that would be latest version so it must be possible to make it work at least with things current.


Edit: After reading MarkL's later post I do think that MarkSL might work for that Australian company so hopefully he spots your topic but I could be wrong.
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Doesn't MarkSL Use Azima? maybe he can assist in some way? 
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Hi Guys,
Maybe I should have given a little more background with this inquiry - but to keep it brief I did shop around quite a bit.  I put together a proposal, but due to the current budget climate at the DOE (I work at Brookhaven National Lab) It's not a good time to propose a new program.  So in order to do "something" I took over this older equipment which has been very lightly used.

So I think I resolved the data issue, I set the period to one day and over the weekend it let me take another sample and the database appears to grow now.  So far I believe my overview of the software above seems accurate although I have no idea what Alert Real Time analyzer is for.  Perhaps it is for analyzing right at the machine at that moment, but I don't know why you wouldn't just record a data set.

Let me see if I can post a picture of my hardware - I ordered a new magnet for my Triax accelerometer, so please excuse my home brew concoction for the moment.

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Rick IMG_9733.JPG 

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I considered the following:

Bently Nevada (approx. $30K)
CSI (approx. $35K)
SKF (approx. $34K)
Azima (approx. $38K)

I think my preference would have been Bently Nevada and it was the direction I was leaning towards...
RickP
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If Pricing was an issue I would Look at Adash http://www.adashamerica.com/index_usa.php
They have an American presence and seem to be doing nice gear.

You also have Acoem from Vibralign are also making and Interesting analyser called a Falcon, it uses a Wireless triaxial accelerometer.
 https://vibralign.com/tools/condition-monitoring/falcon/
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Okay, a really frustrating silly question.  The software keeps referring to MID's.  I assume it means Machine Identification number, but it's not clear and it is not defined anywhere.  Any help is appreciated.
Rick
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I considered the following:

Bently Nevada (approx. $30K)
CSI (approx. $35K)
SKF (approx. $34K)
Azima (approx. $38K)

I think my preference would have been Bently Nevada and it was the direction I was leaning towards...
RickP


Don't forget to include the price of the software with all the options if you deceide to make a move. It can be more than the data collector in some case (CSI).

MarkL mentionned the Falcon, it would be my #1 choice right now if you have a provider nearby. It's cheap, include a lot of usefull features like a strob, pyrometer and camera and they are very up to date in the wireless technology.

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I looked at the Erbessd as well. It looked capable for the price. With more features coming out the GTI wired system could be tossed into the same conversation as well.
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Okay, a really frustrating silly question.  The software keeps referring to MID's.  I assume it means Machine Identification number, but it's not clear and it is not defined anywhere.  Any help is appreciated.
Rick


Hi Rick,
You need to create an MID for each machine and then assign the MID to the machine. Easiest method is to use the Database Design Wizard found on the file menu. The wizard can help with most simple drive trains, however the more complex will need to be created manually which can get tricky.
The MID defines the components in the machine drive train and the forcing frequencies for each of those components. This in turn defines the rule sets that apply in Expert Alert so the automatic diagnoses are accurate.
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Rick
I worked with DLI since the very beginning. I am now retired but remember all the good and bad.
Azima DLI is a good product.
What version of the software do you have?

I used EAV and once you start working with it, you will be happy.
As Mark said, MID is exactly as you suspect and as he said.

The beauty of creating machines with MID's is that similar machines are created all at once (or easily after the fact). Also, the bin-by-bin data of ALL similar machines can be used to create the average. I used the averaged line plot to quickly identify where a specific machine deviated.   As Mark suggested, use the MID wizard to help.

If you have specific questions, you can contact me at ivibr8@yahoo.com

Jim P 
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