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I have to wonder about a "system" that uses a large, flat magnet and they just stick it to a rounded, painted surface.  I'm supposed to trust the data from that?  And I'm supposed to trust a system built in that manner by people who obviously don't know any better?

But I guess if I'm a typical customer who doesn't know any better, then it won't matter.  Just sayin'...


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Olov,

My concerns are that the sensor is huge compared to a single accelerometer and frequency response that may affect high frequency vibrations (HFD or Demodulation/Enveloping ) for bearing fault detection. How will the electronics module survive with high vibrations from a machine with high g-levels present?

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Is that something that you are marketing, Oli?
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Yes I sell it. Yes it is made by the guys that has been selling CSI in Europe since 1980's. Yes I have tested it since 6 months on the drives on a tissue machine IRL. So we have together sold CSI to a significant number of CSI users in Europe from the guys that don't know any better to the users that are equally the same..... ;-) So I can say it works and your off the cuff evaluation are wrong.

Yes it has iDNA that is a improved version of the famous low speed bearing condition method from Knoxville, developed by the guy that last was working on developing it in the US. Not that it has been any revision since the 2120 has it?

I have used the transmitter version as in the movie and the 4 ch version with separate standard accels and it give the same data. There are currently 5000 sensors installed worldwide so go figure.
For a long term installation you can drill and tap for the stud just as you normally would, the sensor is a standard accel. 
Yes it works for bearing condition look at the other examples found at the same place as this came from. You can configure it to your own favorite flavor of bearing parameter, even the version that we used since 15 years, part from the iDNA setup that is a more fixed configuration just as the old version is.
I repeat, the FFT have for no obvious reason the same shortcuts for analysis as MT/CSI always had and I never used, it's a pain :-). I will learn.

Movie is naturally a sales pitch and it obviously works, great [biggrin].


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Oh, I’m not saying it doesn’t work. I’m just wondering why they’d put out such a crappy marketing video. Marketing is about “removing barriers” to acceptance of a product, not throwing up red flags. If I’m a potential client who knows something about vibration, but nothing about the company selling this product, I’m not going to be impressed by this video, because I know that it’s just not as simple as portrayed.
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So this is maybe more to your taste? I just thought it was funny.


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Or this with I suppose all the shortcuts


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Nope. Not going to watch a 14 minute video either. It wouldn’t be that hard for them to make a 60 sec video that demonstrates the product AND demonstrates that they know exactly what they are doing.
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Yes it does work for bearings:
https://www.icareweb.com/en-gb/knowledge-center/case-studies/wi-care-success-story-on-paper-machine/


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Ok, 8 minutes then, the boring version:


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And the short 2min:

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OK. Watched the 8 min video. Pretty impressive. Being able to use existing sensors (I have 200+ 100 mv quartz sensors on a shelf) is very appealing. And the QR code is also cool. The frontend looks good (wondering about the durability of the modules though). Don’t understand the backend at all. Guess I’ll have to watch the longer videos. Do they have any installed in the US?

Is Wi-Care and I-See the same company? Is I-See the backend?

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Yes I-see is the name of the software.
They attend the following:
https://www.icareweb.com/en-gb/news-events/

They can be found here worldwide including Houston and naturally Knoxville.....

https://www.icareweb.com/en-gb/i-care-group/our-presence/#

Did I say the single transmitter is Ex?

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I'll agree with Rusty. As someone who make short films, that was a bit of a disaster. Everything was so unnatural and did not inspire confidence in that guy as an expert. Of course, the marketing material doesn't reflect the product quality at all... but was he just going to close that cabinet door on the AC cord!? haha.
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