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Shurafa2

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Does anybody have a first-hand experience on these kits?

Fluke 3561 & 3502 FC (Amazon Price: $1,099.99 & FREE Shipping)
  • This Starter Kit includes 4 sensors to collect data, 1 gateway to send data to the cloud, and a 1-year license for Fluke Connect software so you can access the data and receive alarms.
  • Trend vibration and temperature data remotely from your smart device or computer.
  • Install in under an hour.
  • Get graded severity alarms on your smart device or computer within seconds.
  • Combine data from more than 80 other wireless Fluke tools.
https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-FC-Vibration-3502-Gateway/dp/B07FXLQCSB/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=QDb4WoZTknJtVb0YZM.uJg&hsa_cr_id=1649529480001

I'm not affiliated with the OEM and I'm only asking for technical feedback.

Regards- Ali M. Al-Shurafa
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Interesting. Seems like it would be plug and play IF a client is OK with allowing this device to connect with their wi-fi, access the internet, and upload data to Fluke's (?) cloud server. Would have to have a pretty robust wi-fi signal, but if that's available it seems like it would work. Not sure you could do a lot of diagnostics as it doesn't seem to do spectra.  Worth a look though.
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All it does is show overall and it only covers to 300hz fmax!!!!

I was asked to sell them a year or so back and after looking at them decided against. They’re cheap and give someone a sense of ‘at least we are doing something’
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All it does is show overall and it only covers to 300hz fmax!!!!

I was asked to sell them a year or so back and after looking at them decided against. They’re cheap and give someone a sense of ‘at least we are doing something’


If you want specifications, then go to the manufacturer, not Amazon.

https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/condition-monitoring/vibration/3561-vibration-sensor is the sensor spec for instance, and it is stated that the device has a frequency range of 10 Hz to 1000 Hz and a sampling rate of 25600 Hz.  The "Product Overview" tab seems to mention that these sensors are triaxial; "Minimize maintenance routes and extend asset life by observing triaxial measurements from Fluke 3561 FC Vibration Sensors".

The spec for the "gateway", the device to get it to the cloud, is at https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/condition-monitoring/vibration/3502-gateway

So, maybe for some machines and some circumstances, a useful system. 
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If you want specifications, then go to the manufacturer, not Amazon.

https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/condition-monitoring/vibration/3561-vibration-sensor is the sensor spec for instance, and it is stated that the device has a frequency range of 10 Hz to 1000 Hz and a sampling rate of 25600 Hz.  The "Product Overview" tab seems to mention that these sensors are triaxial; "Minimize maintenance routes and extend asset life by observing triaxial measurements from Fluke 3561 FC Vibration Sensors".

The spec for the "gateway", the device to get it to the cloud, is at https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/condition-monitoring/vibration/3502-gateway

So, maybe for some machines and some circumstances, a useful system. 


John,
They must have upped theyre game. I sat through numerous presentations from Fluke guys on the product back at the time and the spec was nowhere near that.
The lack of FFt at the time( maybe they have it since?) was the show stopper for my company's involvement in the product.
We since went with another supplier for our wireless online offering.

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do we really need wireless monitoring in all our machines?.... I think its a little overkill, well the prices are going down but we have a yearly bill for the service... I guess its cheaper in the long also who needs an inhouse vibration expert right
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I'd still like an affordable, full-featured, portable system that I could quickly "deploy" on a particular machine that needed remote monitoring via a cellular connection.  I'd buy such a system right now.   
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fburgos,

I would not use this system to replace a human analyst. My application is for special cases like when I need to collect data over the weekend after an overhaul of a problematic machine or perhaps to capture a spike that is detected by an online system and we need to verify if the spike is mechanical or not.

In some facilities, calling out a vibration tech (even in-house person) during a weekend could easily cost 300 $/call.

Mark,
Well, sometimes I really need only a reliable overall trend (for vibration and temperature) as a starting point. We have many critical machines with an expensive online vibration system that only read overall vibration. Is that too bad?
 
Rusty,

Please share with us your viewpoint after usage.

Regards- Ali M. Al-Shurafa
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fburgos,

I would not use this system to replace a human analyst. My application is for special cases like when I need to collect data over the weekend after an overhaul of a problematic machine or perhaps to capture a spike that is detected by an online system and we need to verify if the spike is mechanical or not.

In some facilities, calling out a vibration tech (even in-house person) during a weekend could easily cost 300 $/call.

Regards- Ali M. Al-Shurafa


Might not be all that good for catching a "spike"; quoting from the sensor page,

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Capture rate: One data point every 120 seconds
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Thank you John for spotting that. I've checked in the online documents if this is rate is configurable or not. I could not see an answer.

I've found more documents about the solution on this page:

https://www.accelix.com/resources/quickstart/3561fc/

Regards- Ali M. Al-Shurafa
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