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Vibe-Rater

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And you try telling people that Nok.... bit like trying to convert Hz thinkers to Orders.....
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Glad we are on same page Nok. rgds
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yep!
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I'm a long time Hz guy who is using orders much more these days-I have a ton of data on my desktop from installed sensors and I find it faster to quickly review in orders. So an old data dog can learn new tricks. I used to work in NYC and there are a lot of names associated with the Dutch in lower Manhattan-little side streets, alleys and neighborhood parks. Fond memories except for the WTC.
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Ok Vibe, I'll bite [wink]
Like RGf I'm a long time Hz user but I also have dual frequencyship (look it up) so in some circumstances use orders. But generally Hz is my go to.
As for cpm thats a whole other breed of analyst using that unit of measure.......I'll go now.
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Nice to meet you RGf, unusual to meet a convert. Nok is not a total convert ..... yet,,

Everything relates to shaft speed and all is either synchronous or non synchronous to that.  So it makes sense to think in orders.  OK from time to time when we look at complex gearboxes or dealing with electrical stuff where we may want to just momentarily revert to Hz but ONLY occasionally.  You know most training courses talk in 1x, 2x, 4x etc and then some people work that all back to Hz.  ....???? Figure that....

You know we don't use the Kelvin temperature scale, (-273.15K or whatever - you know what I mean) Hz is like that. It is an absolute scale. Both Celsius and Fahrenheit are relative scales. Celsius being the most sensible one with 0 being freezing point of water at whatever temp. Everyone understands that yeahh..? So thinking in relative terms is much more useful than absolute.  imagine saying ohhh, today it is 285 degrees F? 

I know,... I know.... I'm not going to convince the Hz thinkers... Get your life in "order". rgds
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Ok Vibe, I'll bite [wink] Like RGf I'm a long time Hz user but I also have dual frequencyship (look it up) so in some circumstances use orders. But generally Hz is my go to. As for cpm thats a whole other breed of analyst using that unit of measure.......I'll go now.


Yep Nok, dont get me started on cpm.  What do you think a frequency at 4594 cpm might be?

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I worked in the service group of an OEM and we started offering reliability services in South America on our products.  Our group was actually well managed and had a lot of resources, so we had a reporting database that was shared across all the group (Lotus Notes based), each team was expected to review one report from one of the other teams every month for continuous improvement.  We were trying to figure out how to include our South American teams when they were delivering their reports in Spanish to the customers.

We were going to add automated translation into our reporting software so I was stuck evaluating the different software available at the time.  I quickly discovered that none of the software could handle technical translation, "I would like the turkey sandwich" yes, "inner race defect on the intermediate shaft outboard bearing" no.

We ended up deciding that to improve communication our South American analysts should practice their English more and our database had a field for Spanish findings and a field for them to type the English translation.  

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I am almost ashamed to admit I work in CPM. Thanks guys.. guess I have more stuff to talk to my therapist about now.
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Ok Vibe, I'll bite [wink] Like RGf I'm a long time Hz user but I also have dual frequencyship (look it up) so in some circumstances use orders. But generally Hz is my go to. As for cpm thats a whole other breed of analyst using that unit of measure.......I'll go now.


I used to be a frequency guy, in my experience it tends to fall in line with an electrical or mechanical backgrounds; having an electrical background I was more comfortable with Hz.  Then I ended up spending a couple years only testing variable speed DC driven equipment, as Vibe-Rater said, I got my life in order after that.
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My Mental arithmetic has always been shitty so I work in CPM.. I always have to get my calculator out with Hertz, and Orders..well Orders just scares me.
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My Mental arithmetic has always been shitty so I work in CPM.. I always have to get my calculator out with Hertz, and Orders..well Orders just scares me.


Dr Vibe rater, I think we've discovered one of those aliens I mentioned earlier? We need to examine him to find out how he works with such large numbers. Notice how he disguises his talents by announcing he has no mathematical abilities [biggrin]
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I used to be a frequency guy, in my experience it tends to fall in line with an electrical or mechanical backgrounds; having an electrical background I was more comfortable with Hz.  Then I ended up spending a couple years only testing variable speed DC driven equipment, as Vibe-Rater said, I got my life in order after that.


Great to hear. It is off course infinitesimally easier to remember 3.09x for a DGBB 8 rolling elements than any absolute frequency expressed in either Hz or CPM.  So with that thinking you really start understanding how synchronous and non synchronous characteristics behave. So Sinsk what reminds you of 5.69x...?

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Great to hear. It is off course infinitesimally easier to remember 3.09x for a DGBB 8 rolling elements than any absolute frequency expressed in either Hz or CPM.  So with that thinking you really start understanding how synchronous and non synchronous characteristics behave. So Sinsk what reminds you of 5.69x...?



Felt roll bearing outer race frequency of a 14 roller double row spherical roller bearing. See them every day. 
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And so you see what orders thinking does to you.  Gets the correct answer immediately. Very proud of you Sinsk.  Even SM understands. A millions Hz thinkers would not come up with that answer.




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