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Danny Harvey

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As far as data collection and basic analysis goes  I still haven't seen anything better than the CSI 2120-2.

I haven't used a 2140.
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Great feedback! Betavibe WAS on my list. I received some feedback from a colleague who had experience.. I hope to get some time this weekend to check out the Crystal offerings.
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IMO you cn't beat a 2140.  

The 2120 twin channel was a superb unit. It sat well on the hip whereas 2130 and 2140 don't quite doi the same. But the 40 is so fast.

I know there is the theoretical limit but I've probably reduced data collection time by 30% using the 40.  And that is really important for reduced heat exposure on paper machines which is still most of my work.

One thging to remember. you will be using a combination of hardware AND software. So for me I have 2 40's and CSI rocks and obviously the ntekers will not agree.
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I thought I heard Ludeca was buying the Pruftechnik line or the entire business but when I go to their web sites, the products look totally different.

I too am very interested in this just for my own purposes. We use 2130s and 2140s now but without any of the add-ins. That sucks a little when you want to try something and you can't! When I started in the power plant 30 years ago, we had 2120 two-channels with all the added features and loved that analyzer.

One thing I would like to see is being able to create a couple of test points ad-hoc and be able to download them to the database and view the data. This is for two reasons: 1.) You're out in the field and come across a problem but it's not on your route or not even in your database, 2.) You want to try some measurement point test setups that are not part of your usual route-based routine and you want to see if the data would be useful. If I can do that with a basic 2140 now, I haven't figured out how to do it yet.

Oh, Noooo...Pruftechnik and Ludeca were in a big lawsuit...not sure the ins and outs, but Ludeca went to Easy-Laser and then the Betavib analyzers.

Pruf are dealing directly in the US about 2 years now and then Fluke bought them and marketing the ass of it at the moment.

@Rusty I wonder if that service company are going to the Vibscanner2 that was launched last year? mainly a dumb point and click data collector for guys just running routes.


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Rusty,
You made me google "adash data recorder" to see what you were talking about. Do you have the Advanced Transient DLP for your 2140 or are you familiar with it? It's handy for troubleshooting a specific machine, but you can't use it for regular route data collection.

Danny,
I agree that the 2120-2 is a great analyzer but there are some nice advancements. The 2140 has a much better battery and the screen is easier to see when you are outside in the sunlight. One other advancement is that the 2130 and 2140 are both "true two-channel" analyzers where the 2120 is a "dual-channel" analyzer. At least that's the way it was explained to me; the 2120 has some shared circuitry. The shared circuitry means that there are restrictions that you have to follow in your AP sets if you want your PeakVue point to pair with a non-PeakVue point in Group/Channels. The 2130 and 2140 do not have that restriction. There's another advancement but I'm not sure if it's good or bad. The 2120 is a 16-bit analyzer where the 2130 and 2140 are both 24-bit analyzers. The biggest visibility that I saw is that I could run a route with the 2120 and dump a little less than 2 megs, the same exact route collected with a 2130 would dump 5 megs or more.

David
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David,

I think what I miss the most is the removable memory cards. My 2130's had a slot but it never worked. It really saved time when working with two people and having to change things up. With the 2130's there was no way to pass info from DC-DC without leaving the floor for the office.

I remember the rules for setting up the AP set so that it would do simultaneous readings instead of sequential. I was one of the few that actually used two accels for running a route.  Then when they updated RBMWare so that it would set things up for collection with a 2130 with a single accel and a simultaneous Std and PV points, I gave up the extra accel in favor of the automatic setup. I always thought that the two channel splitters  and cables from CSI were too fragile for the job they had to do.  CTC fixed all that though.  

The screen on the 2130 was a step forward but I don't do a lot of really intricate analysis on the DC anyway. I hear the 2140's are really something but I'm using SKF now.
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Trapper,

I have a route named extra equipment with normal fans, pumps, etc. already set up with typical AP sets. I have most set up as 3600 rpm, 1800 rpm, etc. If I come across a machine not on my route I just select the correct machine and take data. Then if I want to add it to a regular route I can just copy it to where I want it and re-name it.
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Jim, just saw this, and my thought was exactly the same as yours. Just always leave the “generic” route in your meter.  One thing I’d do for unknown machines is minimize the parameter set to just a few must-have parameters (1X, 2X, 3X, 4-10X, MaxPk Waveform, Crest Factor are my basic parameters), and then add custom parameters for each machine (belt frequency, 1X fan frequency, gear mesh, etc).

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You made me google "adash data recorder" to see what you were talking about.  


The Adash V5 lets you record (stream) the raw data signal, on up to four channels For as long as you want to (hours I believe).  You can then post-process the data in the meter or on your PC (you get a Virtual Analyzer application for your PC, for free) using any meter setup you want. I suppose there might be another analyzer which does this, but I’ve never heard of it.

Since I am moving pretty quickly towards retirement, I am considering selling my CSI setup and switching to Adash. I won’t be running routes and the Adash is much better suited (IMO) for pure analysis, while still offering route capability (much less fluid than the 2140 though). Plus Adash is a small company and I feel like they might value my input - CSI always seemed to have ZERO interest in giving us what we really need/want.


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